Bad Boys, Bad Boys, What You Going to Do When They Come Steal Your Stuff?

Posted by on July 21, 2017 3:58 pm
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The Feds Just Expanded Civil Asset Forfeiture ‘Laws’ Nationwide.

When you’re a government agency, asking for a tax increase is always a hassle. As Ryan McMaken notes, for the most part, taxpayers don’t like taxes, and if asked if they want to pay more, they’re likely to often say “no.” Moreover, when public officials pass tax increases, they may face the wrath of taxpayers at the ballot box. For this reason, governments are always looking for ways to get revenue without having to use tax revenue.

One such ‘hidden’ method of seizing wealth from the taxpayers is through what is now called “civil asset forfeiture.”

This occurs when a law enforcement agency seizes the assets – including real estate, cars, cash, and other valuables – from private citizens based merely on the suspicion that the person has committed a crime with the assets in question. No due process is necessary. No conviction in a court of law need occur. While it is technically possible to sue a government agency to reclaim one’s possessions, this requires immense amounts of time and legal fees to pursue. Needless to say, civil asset forfeiture has become a lucrative source of income for law enforcement agencies. And, over the past 30 years, the practice has become widespread.

As Martin Armstrong detailed, between 1989 and 2010, U.S. attorneys seized an estimated $12.6 billion in asset forfeiture cases. The growth rate during that time averaged +19.4% annually. In 2010 alone, the value of assets seized grew by +52.8% from 2009 and was six times greater than the total for 1989. Then by 2014, that number had ballooned to roughly $4.5 billion for the year, making this 35% of the entire number of assets collected from 1989 to 2010 in a single year. Now, according to the FBI, the total amount of goods stolen by criminals in 2014 burglary offenses suffered an estimated $3.9 billion in property losses.

15 responses to Bad Boys, Bad Boys, What You Going to Do When They Come Steal Your Stuff?

  1. Jeanne July 22nd, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    If you haven’t read the Homeland Security Act read it. It will open your eyes. What I took off of it is if policeman feels national security may be at risk. He can walk into your house. No search warrant needed. It’s a long Act but really good to read.. As for seizures of property Florida has been in this business for years. If I remember right nothing is taken until conviction then it’s free game. I’ll never forget the state car I saw that was painted like other state cop cars but was a high dollar sports car..

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    • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 3:17 pm

      Exactly that is exactly what it says 🙂

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  2. mark haney July 21st, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    just another way for government to steal from the people, now cops are getting even dirtier joining in . jeff sessions wants to increase asset forfeiture even though he acknowledges a lot of it stems from innocent people.

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    • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 10:27 am

      Most of it in fact, here in Arizona because of the literal river of drugs (prohibition doesn’t hasn’t cannot ever work) there is quite literally almost a guarantee that at some point through your day you will touch or handle money and or if purchasing legally a used vehicle have traces of “illegal” substances on the vehicle a very real trade in asset forfeiture and in fact a competition between some sheriff’s for how much they can seize, this has led to hundreds of millions seized- for nothing more than a dog alerted- no hard facts or even jury trial. Almost always from brown people. (Yeah, I don’t support our sheriffs) and have vocally cowed the cowardly retarded ones off of many people publicly and will always do so especially now that we have multiple permanent checkpoints set up well inside the USA border with zero discrimination between ethnicities and peopled by the dumbest of the dumb…border patrol agents and rejects from patrol duty with local sheriff’s agencies

      As for those who actually believe it is a somewhat good thing…

      4th amendment, 5th amendment and 8th amendment-i know I know, how dare I – after all, all most if us really care about is the second amendment

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  3. OhioPrepper July 21st, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    I think Civil asset forfeiture is still alive and well in some areas of the federal government; but, here in Ohio in December, 2016 the state legislature passed a bill barring civil asset forfeiture in cases under $15,000
    It also bars law enforcement from using federal asset forfeiture laws for seizures under $100,000
    This was passed over some opposition from law enforcement.
    Ohio is now one step closer to being more of a free state with constitutional carry possibly on the future agenda.

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    • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 10:19 am

      OP, did you read this new (this year) policy?

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      • OhioPrepper July 23rd, 2017 at 1:57 am

        Jesse,
        Which policy are you talking about?
        All I am addressing here is the state level policy here in Ohio; but, you have to start somewhere.

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        • Jesse Mathewson July 23rd, 2017 at 2:03 am

          The federal policy which all departments that take grant money are subject to following

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  4. Dario Monje July 21st, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    This criminal activity did not start in America. It has been done for centuries in the rottenest dictatorships around the world. Nazis, Communists, Socialists, Maoists, and every other despotic forms of government ever have always taken the peasants’ property whenever they wanted it. There have been very few countries in history where individuals had private property rights. So, during the Ronald Reagan regime, the government decided to join in the fun. “If the rest of the world can do it, so can we!” So, today America is more like a Sandinista dictatorship that it is to a Free Constitutional Republic. And, I doubt that it will ever change except by another revolution. And, I don’t see that on the near horizon.

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    • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      Agreed

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  5. Zulu 3-6 July 21st, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    Civil asset forfeiture has been around for a long time. When I was the Lt. in charge of the detective bureau, one of my duties was administering the asset forfeiture program for my department.

    Technically, the property seized has to have a nexus to a crime. Most commonly, cash used in dope sales, or property bought with those illegal proceeds, was the property that got seized.

    There is a procedure for contesting the seizure of property. Most of the time, it never gets as far as a court room. When it does, it is called an “In Rem” procedure. In other words the seized property has to prove itself untainted by criminal nexus.

    If you read appellate court rulings you might see a case entitled “People of Michigan v. $1,234.00 in cash, 2017 Cadillac, et al” That is an In Rem case and involves asset seizure.

    I tried very hard to make certain we had good seizure cases. You keep dragging losers up in front of the Chief Judge (who handled all In Rem cases in our county), the judge is going to start asking embarrassing questions. Actually, the assistant prosecutor in charge of In Rem cases should be asking those embarrassing questions before the judge saw them.

    Yes, the forfeiture program could be a boon to the PD. We used it to defray much of the cost of buying 9mm pistols to replace our revolvers.
    We would never have gotten them otherwise. We bought a bunch of other stuff, new handheld radios, new scout car radios, defrayed a lot of the cost of putting computers in the scout cars, Plus the DARE program got 10% (whatever you think of DARE).

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    • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 2:54 am

      However, this new application of the “law” (immoral and unethical) goes far beyond what existed before. As for DARE it’s the one program that was positive and they defunded it

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      • OhioPrepper July 22nd, 2017 at 4:33 pm

        Jesse,
        I think they are still doing the DARE program around here in some districts. An interesting note on the DARE program. Back about 20 years ago I was with some other instructors at a children’s fair doing the NRA Eddy Eagle program and we noticed a lot of inner city kids coming to the table and doing the dance and the song along with the video we were playing. It turns out that the officers doing the DARE program were including Eddy Eagle in their presentations. It’s sad if they are cutting your programs; but, I suspect politics rules, especially in those states that have now legalized some drugs.

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        • Jesse Mathewson July 22nd, 2017 at 7:32 pm

          Very

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  6. Jesse Mathewson July 21st, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    This is seriously disturbing:(

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