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How Many Rounds Of Ammo Does A Prepper Need?

In Prepping and Survivalism by Jesse Mathewson46 Comments

Photo showing a prepper shooting an AK-47 how many rounds of ammo does he need?

My suggestion for long-term storage is a bare minimum of 250 rounds of defensive ammunition per defensive firearm in the house with 500 to 1,000 rounds being ideal.

There is an economic concept, the law of diminishing returns, that can be applied to your life. The law of diminishing returns refers to a point at which the benefits are less than the amount of effort invested. This applies directly to ammunition stored for personal use and firearms as well as general prepping supplies.

I should add that I detest the term prepper, as it is defined using modern vernacular and is seen as a negative to many. Rather I am someone who considers that even though I may never need insurance, it is a wise idea to have it.

Ammunition Storage

When it comes to prepping it is possible to have too many things and by default cause issues with both storage and distribution of the items needed. Ammunition if it is not stored properly does age rather poorly even if it is sealed in spam cans. Food regardless posted shelf life must also be stored in a relatively climate controlled environments.

In fact, there is very little that has an extended shelf life if it is not stored in a climate controlled environment. Look at the packaging for any dry frozen or dehydrated food supplies, store between temperatures are listed on the package.

Temperatures are somewhat important for ammunition, however, the real killer for stored ammunition is moisture. I do not suggest leaving ammunition in your car during an Arizona summer, the temperatures reached can negatively affect performance.

However, in personal testing with ammunition stored openly in magazines and original packaging as well as loaded in magazines I have found that overall the temperature variations rarely affect the ammunition by itself, though with un-crimped hand loads I have found it causes greater issues than crimped loads both factory and not.

What has always been the hands down ammunition killer is moisture and the subsequent corrosion that occurs.

Except for personal defensive ammunition I have on me at the moment and in my house for use at a moments notice, my ammunition is stored in watertight cases that are also somewhat airtight. I use desiccants inside the ammunition storage containers as a way to reduce the free oxygen and moisture amount even more.

With my testing and others, I have found that ammunition stored this way can be good for many decades, especially when temperature extremes are prevented. When it comes to defensive ammunition you should be rotating this every 6 months or so. You are not rotating it because it compresses in the magazine and becomes oval or for any reason other than your carry ammunition by default is carried on your person.

This means that it is subjected to temperature extremes and humidity, sweat and general degradation that occurs with carry ammunition.

My Bare Minimum Recommendations

For this purpose, my suggestion for long-term storage is a minimum of 250 rounds of defensive ammunition per defensive firearm in the house. This takes a rotation of 30-45 rounds every 6 months for handgun and between 60 and 240 rounds for the rifle and lastly 12-24 rounds for the shotgun if you have or use one.

Personally, I prefer buying a half a case for handgun and a full case at a time once a year of premium defensive ammunition. This covers needs for the firearms in use as a defensive tool at my house and keeps a decent supply for practice and storage as well.

With very few exceptions I keep all of my magazines loaded, modern Magpul magazines can be kept loaded fully and older NATO/STANAG magazines loaded at 28 for rifle and one round short for magazines not in current defensive rotation for the handguns.

This is not to reduce spring tension, instead, it is specifically because many older magazines do not seat easily or fully in a firearm that has a closed bolt or closed slide.

I am not going to argue the merits of learning how to count your rounds or other similar approaches as these are foolish and outdated approaches that at least will add steps that will only confuse you under stress and at worst get you killed. My suggestion is, use proven modern magazines and firearms.

How many rounds of non-defensive ammunition should you keep on hand? This is where the law of diminishing returns really comes into play. Ammunition weighs allot in quantity, for instance, a 30 round magazine of 5.56 or .223 weighs approximately 1 pound.

ammo in storage how much is enough?

 

Whereas a loaded 8 round magazine for a 1911 weighs around 9 ounces and a 15 round Smith and Wesson M&P magazine or a loaded 15 round Glock magazine will weigh around 8-9 ounces. Two defensive magazines for your handgun will end up weighing around 16 ounces and a single 2 ¾ inch 00 buckshot shell will weigh a little over one ounce by itself.

Unless you train regularly with your bug-out bag and a full load out of ammunition, I highly doubt you will be humping more than 3 or 4 magazines for any great distance.

Does this mean you shouldn’t keep more than 120 rounds on hand? Absolutely not!

In fact, I recommend at a bare minimum having 500 rounds of quality range ammunition for practice and long-term use. My suggestion is to avoid big box store ammunition, I do not mean specific ammunition retailers and resellers, I mean Walmart, Big Five, and other similar large box stores ammunition.

What is made for them will ALWAYS be a reduced quality than even military and law enforcement training overruns! Big box ammunition is loaded with far less QC being applied than is done with the more expensive yet better overall ammunition that is available.

If you reload, and this is something that takes great patience and dedicated time and effort to do well, store supplies for as much as you may need at current training use for 2-3 years. This can be applied to factory new loads as well. I like having several months at a bare minimum stored away, with my maximums being around 5 years at my current level of use.

If you go to the range and shoot 150 rounds a week, then calculate based on this number. If you carry defensively and do not train with at least 50 rounds a month, please remember a very simple reality, shooting is absolutely a perishable skill.

Certainly, many people get lucky and have used firearms successfully with little or no regular training or any real training. However, you will find a much greater level of success if you at least keep your basic skills sharp with 50-100 solid rounds downrange once a month.

I have taught and worked with law enforcement officers and soldiers who refused to practice regularly, leading them to have to shoot their generous qualifiers multiple times just to maintain employment!

how many rounds of shotgun ammo does a prepper need

Next, it is important to understand that you and your wife will not be taking on an armed group of marauders even with your multiple trips to FrontSight timeshare and firearms training facilities. I know that the Dr. who owns that training facility has told you that because you are a diamond member you are now better than Rambo, the reality is…you will still be best served with not clearing your house and avoiding issues whenever possible!

This is why individual focused training on your own and or with experienced real-world instructors is best. This means that you need to have additional amounts of ammunition available and stored safely and properly. What you will need much of your ammunition for is hunting, getting rid of predator or scavenger animals and potentially defense against two-legged marauders.

All of my ammunition except what is currently in use is stored in a dry, temperature controlled environment. What is currently in use is also kept dry and cleaned and maintained to promote longevity and 99.9% function when it is needed!

So before you have 50,000 rounds delivered, make sure you know why, how and what you are storing it for. Some places have passed laws recently regarding how much you can legally have. Be sure you follow the local laws whenever possible or whenever morally necessary. A few simple guidelines I use as a disabled middle-aged man with a family and some added individuals in potential problem times.

  • What can I carry by myself
  • What can I keep safely secured
  • How much do we use monthly multiplied by each person using monthly and 2-3 years minimum for EACH firearm
  • Use only what works best in each firearm for each required use, (hunting firearms/defensive/ etc.,)
  • What can my group carry
  • What can my family/group keep safely secured

As always use your head, ask yourself why you are doing or considering doing anything and by all means, avoid falling into the age-old trap that is doomsday prepping. Yes, this approach has been around since before the bronze age and is largely due to a time when humans did not have working networks for trade and exchange.

Certainly, being prepared for this is not a terrible idea though it will take more than stockpiling ammunition and can be extremely cost prohibitive to all but the most wealthy of us.

Free the mind and the body will follow…

Comments

  1. Jesse:

    This is an almost universal question. People want finite answers to questions that have no finite answers.

    My rule of thumb, on any “how much or many” questions is this: “Consider that tomorrow morning you wake up and you can no longer purchase ******. It’s just not available for sale or trade. And you will need it to see your family through the “foreseeable” future. No outside help is coming. So, how much do you want to have around?”

    If 250 works for you, then it’s 250. Sleep well at night. For me, personally, it’s a little more. And a larger variety. But that’s me, I like options, and have been able to afford more. Your situation may very. Plus having had a place, and a supportive spouse for the last 25 years, allows for this. If you need to be portable, things are different.

    1. JP. One thing I wont do is tell others exactly what I have.

      That said, 250 is a very low end for defensive ammo /handgun only … as per article – and yep agreed with if it isnt available…

      1. I don’t mind telling as most got buried when I got here. I rented the biggest U-Haul truck and trailer to move my stash from Indiana to here. Give or take 600,000 rounds. To help me unpack and move in, a bunch of Veteran Rangers and Snake Eaters helped me take care of that chore. They were shock when I open the doors to the ammo. Love to see a Veteran smile. I sold /traded 100,000 rounds and kept 150,000 rounds upstairs. I joined the local fire dept. and gave my Chief a look see and he gets it. Let the single story burn, but stop the fire at the two story or you need to move the trucks and firefighters.

    1. I cannot disagree on more is better in some situations…though again more can hamper in the wrong situations-

      What I didnt say in the article was…
      1. Humans very quickly attach more value than is needed to physical items leading to a desire to exert more effort protecting or transporting which in some situations could lead to harm for yourself and those around you.
      2. I’ve known many dozens of hard core rawlsian/skoulson preppers who had no hands on knowledge to maintain their equipment (they couldn’t put an AR together without it failing and didnt clean their firearms…because…”it should run reliably even dirty dadgummit” and still believed that it was more important to have 10,000 rounds of south African surplus ammo and front site is a better training facility …

      Basically the idea is, without actual ability supply means nothing.

      So yes more is better. ..if you are us and practice even 50 rounds a month- but if you dont…more is a liability.

      1. JM, but of course running out in the middle of a fire fight against a hoard of zombies is much worse…..

        Surely an insurance company can’t be wrong about an insurance policy….. LOL

        1. Thor? Honestly have no idea what that means 🙂

          If you read entire article I do clarify training/etc.,

          1. JM, I don’t understand the argument, I agreed 250 is bare minimum, but I also I have different load outs ready to go. Bug out load, assault load, different vest and bags. After running out a gun is nothing but a club at best or an awkward paperweight……..

            1. WELL IT IS 17 years latter “9-11” that long ago I have 1,000 rounds of 45ACP over 1,000 rounds of 22 lr. and last only 100 rounds of 270 OK that is not enough MY kids say you “NEVER ” have enough AMMO ““

  2. i personally think maybe 250 is low number, just that you don’t know what kind of situation you may be in, with that said i think it better to have more than 250. also, most likely it won’t happen but hopefully some of the ammo has not been laying around too long and you pull the trigger and “snap” happens…… uh oh.

  3. I absolutely think these are low numbers. I agree that care in storage of ammo is a must. Although I have shot 40+ years old ammo poorly stored in a canvas bag without a single failure to fire. I still would store ammo in a sealed ammo can/crate with a good desiccant.

    I’d have to say the amount of ammo you keep on hand depends on where you live in association to populated areas like a big city. Basically if there is a higher probability of having to use ammo to defend yourself, you do not want to run out. Keep in mind the average soldier carries 210 rounds in a combat zone. It’s not saying any of us will be running those types of missions rather that is the amount used in those type of engagements. Adjust your amount accordingly to your geographical position and your worse case scenario.

    Another great reason to store more ammo is for barter, could be the most precious metal stocked. I’d recommend against using rifle ammo in a barter as it could be used against you later. 12G shells or 9mm would be best.

    We’ve all seen ammo shortages in different calibers, similar as to what JP said imagine if ammo was nowhere to be found?

    I recommend to my like minded prepper friends to buy as much ammo as your budgeting allows. Always budget for some ammo though, have a safe way to store it and as Jesse mentioned think of the logistics in carrying/transportation of all that ammo. It’s best that the majority of stockpiles be at your BOL.

      1. This is a fine article Jesse, and you have my respect and commendations.

        I hope the people who think they know what you said, go back and reread it twice.

        250 rounds is a hand ringer. You do have to assign a number to minimums, and I think you’re right minded in the way you’ve done it. In a bolt gun, 250 seems sufficient, in a semi automatic without trigger discipline, or in a high anxiety scenario, I wonder how quickly- the people who haven’t experienced that yet, will use their ammo. 250 rounds without resupply in a semi auto… It seems to be on the light side. Under stress, in a real firefight, conservation discipline is probably not the first thing on your mind., but you have to make each shout count. It is easy to pull the trigger again and again, but there is nothing that says that the fight will be a short one, even if your real good/experienced. Spray and Pray is a really Bad Idea. A firearm without ammunition is just a club that was not made to swing.

        Knowing your firearm, your scenario, and your ammunition are a holistic situation. It’s big picture and small picture at the same time. Over focusing on one part often times leaves the other parts exposed, and then control over your situation becomes unbalanced. Remember this classic quote: “Did he fire six shots, or only five?” Harry actually only fired five both times. He still had an insurance policy. You know how many rounds you have but the other guy doesn’t. This is all about having this insurance policy in terms of total quantity, but that alone is not enough. It’s also all about how we manage the insurance policy. That’s why we train.

        Know your gun, know the effective range of the gun/ammo combo. It is very important to know the effective range of the kind of ammo you’re shooting. Sight in for optimization. This is to say nothing of the conditions that you’re shooting in. (Wind, Rain, Night, Less than optimal. All of the variables really do matter, but limit those variables if you can. Try to purchase the optimal ammunition for the optimal range of the firearm.

        By optimization what do I mean? Every caliber of firearm has an optimized range, based on its barrel length. As a for instance: Don’t feed a short-barreled carbine long-range ammunition, but there are many scenarios.

        Keep your training ammunition separate from the ammunition you intend to bring to the fight. Don’t count your rounds that are FMJ as worst case scenario ammunition. Yes I know the military uses this, but we are not talking about the Geneva Convention here in America. It doesn’t apply. Your adversary will be likely shooting hollow points and soft points at you. Count FMJ as training ammunition and don’t include it in your 250 to 1000. Remember that you’ll want to practice with a little of the ammunition that you intended to shoot in the firefight as well. You’ll want your ammunition to be hollow point, and soft point. This is about winning in battle.

        Don’t try heroic’s at long range. Accuracy at long range is a combination of the right firearm, ammunition and a lot of practice. Attempting this with most common firearms is a fools errand. All you’ll do is give away your position.

        Firearms and Ammunition aren’t magical. They are tools, and they have optimized scenarios for each, and that’s why it’s not one-size-fits-all. Ammunition isn’t for making noise, it’s for stopping threats.

        If you reload, do not fall into the mistaken idea that loading the hottest round on the load chart is what you should do. This is just plain bad practice. After all, this is war right? Wrong. Most common firearms rarely shoot the hottest load on the chart accurately, or well. On older guns, it may not even be safe. If you’re a reloader, you should know that you should test your ammunition, to learn which load shoots the most accurate in your firearm. If you do not have the luxury of this, I recommend the never loading hotter than just below maximum, perhaps even the one just below that. This will help reduce wear and tear on your firearm, and ensure that you’re firearm will more than likely function better, which is what you really need. There is no coronagraph on the battlefield. You don’t need a firearm that jams or gets damaged, or wears out prematurely. You need a firearm that continues to function, and enough ammunition, so that you can always shoot another round. Think about winning the long game.

        And finally, shooting all this ammunition is going to make your firearms dirty. So your worst case scenario situation should include cleaning supplies. If you’re familiar with how gas operated firearms work, then you know.

        At the end of the day, 250 rounds is a good place to start for any gun, if you’re just getting started, I would say making sure that you have 250 rounds to feed all the guns you think are worth bringing to the fray is a good place to start. But think about the variables, make sure that ammunition is the kind you want to protect your life. Nothing less. Jesse has pointed out a lot of very good variables here. If you’ve got the space to store it, and it doesn’t impact your operating budget for living, there’s no harm in stocking plenty of ammunition. And I wouldn’t put an upper quantity on that.

        One more thought. If you do have to bug out, there is the selection of things you need to take with you. How much will oftentimes be limited by how much lead time you have to pack, and space you have to carry. Consider which firearms you’ll want for bug out, and try to preload a few ammo cans with adequate quantities, to feed just those bug out weapons if you have to go quick. Consider that some firearms may like more ammunition, and others less. Think of how it will be used. Equal quantities of ammunition for each may not be optimal. Those cans should have a few different types of rounds in them, just in case of this scenario or that. Give it some thought, consider your bug out location, and what it will take to get there, defending it all the way. and make sure you clearly label those cans for bug out so that you don’t have to dig them out at the last minute. This is a grab it and get out situation.

        This is a damn good article. You probably won’t find any better on the Internet. You probably won’t find anybody who will tell you anything better in person either. His advice is worth it’s weight in gold, in spite of how much everyone has paid for it.

        Thanks Jesse, and MD.

  4. The caption under the picture is not the original first paragraph.

    250 rounds is specific too handguns and defensive ammunition.

    Please read the entire article you will see where the amount suggested is actually what you practice amount is weekly multiplied by all the individuals in your family/tribe unit times 2-3 years- *my personal minimum*

  5. I recently did an inventory of my on hand ammo for each of my weapons. I thought most of it was in the ammo cans designated for each caliber. They were all full to capacity. I was happy, then I started unearthing shopping bags from Walmart, Academy Sports and Adventure Outdoors plus the local sporting goods/gun store and found that I have a LOT of boxes of ammo that just came home and never made it into ammo can storage. It appears I have an addiction to buying ammo.

    I visit with a counselor every now and then as I some times have flash backs of not too pleasant battles in foreign countries. I was telling him about the most most recent trip back in time to a fire base where I was carrying a light load because it was a radio recon mission where we traveled up to a forward fire base not too far from an enemy radar site. I set up the radio and was collecting intel and found they were planning an attack on the base that evening. We got ready but because I was working intel instead of security I had an M16 and 1 20 round magazine. When they attacked and came over the wire those 20 rounds went quickly and I ended up having to fight with an empty rifle as a club as a my K-Bar. I lived, several of them did not. The counselor said that because I ran out of ammo and had to resort to hand to hand at the most brutal that I would never be satisfied with the ammo on hand and would never have enough to feel secure. In retrospect he was probably right and I will continue to hoard no matter what the recommended load is. I have to wonder if other people who were in like situation have the same issue.

    1. Cliff, honestly I am a very big hoarder, of food/supplies/and other items not to be mentioned in quantity here…your approach is applicable- i firmly believe some humans retain some biological imperative to “prepare” due to anything from starvation periods to famines based on locations out ancestors come from…

      Many of those who are most actively “prepping” that I know have norse/russian/Germanic and alternatively nomadic tribal bloodlines regardless location.

      Something that may be worth a study?

      1. Jesse, you forgot the Scotish, of which i am one. The bloody brits had guns our people had claymores. I will never be without guns, several guns.

    2. Cliff, thank you, thank you, thank you! It is so good (for me) to find out I am not the only one with this “situation”. I even have ammo for arms I do not have. Have you found what triggers these flashbacks?

      Your B.I.A,
      Not Me

      1. Not Me Says:

        You know you have it bad when you not only have ammo for guns you don’t have, but magazines!

      2. Not Me,
        Hard to tell about the flash backs, it can be something simple like a lot of stress at work and then someone driving aggressively at me on the way home. Sometimes it can be caused by flipping channels and stopping on something like “We were soldiers” and watching them police up the ammo and magazines getting ready for the next battle. The most recent was when my mom died and I spent time at the funeral home and looking at all the coffins and stuff and remembering the body bags our guys went in and the big holes we dug to toss their guys in.

        It’s never been a dangerous thing to me but it really puts me in to a retrospective mood and I get really quite while I try to work through it all. That’s usually when I go on a buying spree and I am really bad about buying extra magazines for my ARs and sitting and loading them and then unloading them and counting the rounds and then reloading. I too have a lot of ammo for weapons I no longer have but hey, you never know when you might bring one home and it would be a shame not to have the stuff to feed them with.

        1. CiD, I gave away some 270 and still have some 45ACP that I don’t have a gun for…..
          More is better, its OK.

  6. My personal opinion is how much ammo to store is going to relate to which weapon and how or when it will be used. While I may store a couple of thousand rounds for an AR that I shoot with a lot or a thousand rounds of 9mm for an every day carry I wouldn’t store more than a couple of hundred rounds for say my .25 auto that I might shoot once a year just to keep in practice. then again I may store 5000 rounds of .22 because it’s cheap and when I take out the grand kids we might go through 500 – 1000 in a day. At the end of the day it is each persons choice of where their comfort level is. I think the article pointed toward storage conditions as part of that decision which is correct.

  7. Yes, I read the article. My answer: Just a few more boxes. I never feel like I have enough.

    Jesse, This is a good article with good advice.

  8. I enjoyed the article, and I do also reload. Remembering the times a few years ago when finding ammo was a little more time consuming and expensive if you, pardon the pun, bit the bullet and had to purchase said ammo, I have a healthy amount for shooting at the range, and store enough for my reloading too. I manage to practice an average of twice to three times a month, so have fairly fresh ammo supplies.

  9. Where you live and what your likely threat exposure will be are critical in determining the amount of ammunition you should store. Smokey Mountains or Southside Chicago?

    I suggest that everyone err on the side of caution. “Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.”

    After a total societal meltdown, ammunition will likely be the new “coin of the realm.” Yes, I have heard all of the nonsense about being shot by the person with whom you have just bartered goods, but unless you are feckless and naïve, reasonable precautions can be taken to prevent this. Ammunition may be the only thing you have to trade for the amoxicillin your child badly needs. Risky? Maybe. Your call.

    Having a considerable amount of ammunition is important for your family and the group on which you depend. While many of us are guilty of believing that we are nearly invincible, the fact is that we may be early casualties and, after that, the ammunition may be the salvation of those we leave behind.

    Back in the pre-internet 1980s, I subscribed to a survival newsletter. It consisted of perhaps ten pages and came monthly. It was primitive and low-tech, being photocopied by the person who owned it.

    I recall that one reader asked how much pistol ammunition he should store for self-defense. The author told him that three boxes (of 50 back then) should do it. His reasoning? Given the distance that most pistol fights took place, and given how few shots were typically fired before one side or the other was incapacitated, he said that no one would likely live long enough to shoot 150 rounds in a pistol fight at pistol distances.

    I don’t agree with the author’s recommendation about storing only 150 rounds, but his assessment of the results of the average pistol fight was probably spot on.

  10. My comment comes after many years of reloading experience. The MOST IMPORTANT factors in the storage of ammunition are temperature and humidity. My buddy and I used many pounds of WW2 salvaged propellants for reloading practice rounds. Never an issue because the material was stored in airtight containers, in cool temperatures and dry conditions. Now, I am sure a testing lab could measure any slight deterioration that may have occurred. We always worked up test loads from a new lot number and when satisfied with the results made a large purchase. The moral of this: ammunition stored in sealed, airtight containers, in a cool place is the way to go. DO NOT store any more than you need this week or this month on the closet shelf in the back room where the temperature is like an over and the humidity will rust a soup can in a few months. You are then inviting deterioration of the cartridge brass and the propellant inside as well as the primers.

  11. I agree with all remarks to the effect that practice and acquiring proficiency is key to any person being capable of surviving. When it comes to quantity, I differ in the amount like so many do. 250 rounds for a tactical rifle/battle rifle, while being a standard load-out for a soldier, I think is way too low for what is stored in a safe and secured location. I asked a buddy who was a Ranger and has been through ‘it’. He laughed and said (quote), “hell, in an extended fire-fight you’ll go through 500 rounds in no time at all … it’ll seem”. His parting words on the subject were, “as long as you still have some left when it’s over and no more hostiles are shooting back; and, you’re still breathing…. you had enough”. What he impressed most upon me was that most ammunition is used for covering fire, suppression fire – to keep the enemy’s head down while moving up/in on them. One figure is apx. 100,000 rounds are fired in a war per enemy death. Police figures put it at less than 10% of shots fired in a gunfight actually hit someone.

  12. Jesse, thanks again for a well thought out, cogent article. This is sure one of those topics that could cause arguments all day long. I have my own minimums for ammo based on my thoughts of what might occur in the future. For certain ammo (long range hunting), I have less ammo than for other types (defensive) (target practice) etc. I too will never detail how much I actually have on hand. Minimum of 250, and what your budget allows.

  13. As always, thanks for posting JM. Always find it useful.
    After reading the article I thought about how much ammo I have on hand. I keep on hand what I feel is an adequate / comfortable stock pile for each different weapon. Some I use more than others therefore the supply is higher.
    What else came to mind is exactly what I read in one of the comments… “the amount of ammo you keep on hand depends on where you live in association to populated areas like a big city.”

    BINGO… if you may need more then by all means have more.
    If your happy with what you have then you have another BINGO.

    Like you said, there is the factor of storage / maintenance. If the ammo doesn’t function when needed then it’s more than money down the drain. Also in my case there’s the up front cost. A fixed income means passing up on this in order to buy that.

    Finally, whatever your comfort level is with quantity, it won’t matter if you can’t hit the broad side of a barn let alone the target.

  14. Something I don’t see mentioned, and I don’t believe I ever have, is being able to repair your firearms if/when they go down. This is the reason all my .556, 7.62, 9mm, .45 & 12 ga. are the same basic brands & use the same repair parts. I have fix it kits, not enough but at least I can get one or two back on the firing line ….just food for thought.

    1. John B, ^^ and how for sure!

      What many people do not understand is that every gun wears out even milspec M16/M4gry types have 35-60,000 round life based on how the use and what the use was…

      If you can fix it…no amount of spare ammo will help

    2. You are right Sir you should have extra parts in you field kit for your weapons , just for M16s I always carried an extra complete bolt, and some springs.

  15. I have found that in the Midwest here if I store the ammo in my basement I never have issues. Have some 1980 Israeli .308; goes bang no problem. Also I found some .45ACP reloads I did not shoot for some reason. Loaded in 1981; all 50 shot off. Of course agree with Jesse, don’t let the stuff get wet.

    On amounts I have several thousand rounds of each defensive. ( 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .223/5.56 and .308 ) type rounds. Maybe a thousand shells 12 GA. For .22LR maybe 15,000 rds. Is this excessive? Maybe. But watch the movie “ The Road “ and “ The Survivalist “ and tell me those guys didn’t wish they had stockpiled a lot more bang-bang.

  16. We’ve found that a good goal is 10000 per weapon. 5000 for handguns. Bugging out is not an option and we have a small farm. So while we have to deal with the occasional things we also have to deal with NPT and patrolling. One incident can burn through that 259 in five minutes. Yes there are storagr issues but cache also helps with that. What we don’t talk about here are.mags. your going to end up dropping them while reloading. Make sure you have a good supply

  17. I think there’s too much emphasis placed on ammo stores. I’m not saying a box of shells and call it a day, but how many rounds do you think you will actually fire in conflict? If you are defending yourself your most likely getting shot at as well. How long before you get hit? Please don’t misunderstand me one needs ammo. Food water and shelter is a daily necessity. Ammo, probably not. Personally I focus more resources to food and water. Then guns and ammo. Just my 2 cents.

  18. 250 rounds? ROTHFLOL probably fine for you to keep in your Go Bag and on your person. Not sufficient for Prepping Period.

    If you know firearms.. your going to do what you want and you should.. Lets go from the point of view that you do not.

    Everyone in your family should have at minimum the following.

    Revolver.. 38/357 4-6 inch Barrel
    Shotgun (Pump) 12 ga 18-21 inch Barrel
    Bolt Action Rifle .223 or .308. (Scoped)

    Now if you have something already.. if it makes sense to you.. work around that.. build your firearms preps around that

    Pistol Brands… Armscorp or Taurus or Ruger..
    Shotguns Remmington or Mossberg
    Rifle Savage, Mossberg, Remminton

    Of course it might be great to have a Colt or Ruger but it is more important to get everyone armed first.

    Used is fine but uniformity is essential..

    Everyone should have a good belt , holster, speed loader pouches for 4 speed loaders.

    Cleaning Kits 1 per person

    Ammunition minimum 3000 rounds per firearm or more.. that is a minimum..minimum

    Certainly if you are knowledgeable about firearms you may want to obtain other weapons more of this or that but these are reasonable minimums and the best of basic firearms.. they are inexpensive simple and reliable..and all are effective proven arms. There is nothing wrong with Glocks or many of the other SemiAutos.. but we are doing a basic outfitting here for people who are not experienced and knowledgeable about firearms.

    Additionally the firearms I listed are legal …everywhere . If you are forced to move or travel they are one last thing to be concerned about.

    Arming everyone is much better than having one person only armed with some Penultimate Warrior Kit.
    The advantage in uniformity of arms should be obvious .

    It would be great if you could add 22 long rifle revolvers (Snubbies would dovetail nicely as a backup) and addiing the ubiquitous Ruger 10-22s to everyone’s kit also increasing defensive capabilities… and another 3000 rounds per.. but now we are getting ahead of ourselves.

    Why 3000 rounds? Well because you might freak if I suggest 10,000 rounds.. 3000 rounds sounds like a lot.. Trust me .. it is nothing …

    But you need 12 cases of Toilet Paper,, 1500lbs of Beans 500 lbs of rice.. and a way to cook it.. 2000 gal of water… and a place to store it.. /// You also need to be training every month .. there goes 150 rounds for your revolver and 100 rounds for your shotgun and rifle every month.. but you can substitute the 22lr guns in that training and save money.

    Everyone has a Sleeping Bag, 2 pair of Mechanics Overalls… 3 pair of gloves right? 3 woolen Stocking Caps , Ponchos and Parkas and 3 pairs of broken in boots.. .. well you get my drift.. Firearms are not the only thing on your list..so go with the minimums till you get everything else up to snuff…

    Lots of Lucks

  19. As far as variety of ammo, and I’m talking about hunting rifle type ammo; remember that your rifle is sighted in at a certain distance, with a certain round. It does no good to have a scoped hunting rifle using a hodge-podge of bullet weights. An ought-six can digest everything from 50 gr. accelerator sabot round to 200 gr. round nose big game projectiles, each bullets zero in your rifle being vastly different at different distances. I keep all 150 gr. core-lokt bullets for my 30-06. I’ve got probably a coupla hundred of ’em stored in a couple of army steel ammo boxes, in the house with a dessicant pouches inside.

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